theglobaljournal.net: Latest activities of group Leah McGrath Goodmanhttp://www.theglobaljournal.net/group/leah-mcgrath-goodman/2012-01-13T13:51:32ZOil Trading and the Casino Syndrome2012-01-13T13:51:32Zhttp://www.theglobaljournal.net/article/view/455/<p><img style="vertical-align: top; display: block; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;" src="/s3/cache%2F88%2F2b%2F882b5613f8a867e891191896caa06971.jpg" alt="Leah McGrath Goodman" width="385" height="580" /></p> <blockquote> <p style="text-align: justify;">Leah McGrath Goodman, author of The Asylum: The Renegades Who Hijacked&nbsp;the World&rsquo;s Oil Market, talks to the Global Journal about the self-anointed&nbsp;kings of the New York Mercantile Exchange and the floating trading game.&nbsp;Could alternative energy have the same glitter?</p> </blockquote> <p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #800000;">Your book mentions that &ldquo;the market is no longer&nbsp;reflecting supply and demand.&rdquo; What is the use of&nbsp;a market that does not reflect the true price of oil?&nbsp;Do we need new hijackers?&nbsp;</span></p> <p style="text-align: justify;">That&rsquo;s a great question &ndash; do we need new hijackers?&nbsp;If we could get some hijackers that could take back&nbsp;the market so that it does reflect supply and demand&nbsp;more clearly, then I would say yes, we do!&nbsp;However, I would also say that there is a serious&nbsp;debate going on about the extent to which price does&nbsp;reflect supply and demand. I think there is very good&nbsp;reason to believe that the price does not reflect it anymore.&nbsp;There is also a very technical reason for what&nbsp;has been going on that has not really been acknowledged&nbsp;or understood by many people. And that is the&nbsp;relationship between speculation and price discovery.&nbsp;A lot of the information that I get is from people who&nbsp;read the book and then they come to me and bring me&nbsp;stuff that nobody seems to really know about. A lot of&nbsp;these guys are just regular traders who trade physical&nbsp;oil and feel that supply and demand is not reflected&nbsp;in the price correctly anymore. Whereas their entire&nbsp;lives &ndash; some of these men and women have been trading&nbsp;oil for thirty years or more &ndash; they feel the price did&nbsp;reflect it. So they believe there&rsquo;s a huge difference in&nbsp;what they are seeing today in terms of the market fundamentals&nbsp;versus the price. And what they used to&nbsp;do was see price and fundamentals fit together better.&nbsp;They see a lot of distortion happening now. So a&nbsp;lot of these people are concerned with that. I want to say, it&rsquo;s not all about making money for these people:&nbsp;some of them look at this and say &ldquo;Oh my God, it&rsquo;s&nbsp;not acting the way it used to anymore and it doesn&rsquo;t&nbsp;look like it&rsquo;s headed anywhere good.&rdquo; That is what a&nbsp;lot of them say to me. And that is aside from the fact&nbsp;that trading has become so ferocious that it is more&nbsp;about preserving a global casino than about supplying&nbsp;oil to people who need it. That&rsquo;s the problem. The&nbsp;casino aspect overshadows everything. Most of the&nbsp;people who play this game don&rsquo;t want oil. They just&nbsp;want to play the game.</p> <p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #800000;">What is the alternative? I mean, these are the people&nbsp;who are speculating on the price of oil. Is there anything&nbsp;that can change to make it different? To make&nbsp;it less casino-like?</span></p> <p style="text-align: justify;">Yes, I think so. I am considering writing about this&nbsp;much more, the nature of speculation. I believe that&nbsp;speculation is an amazing thing. When you consider&nbsp;the wonderful things it has done for markets, moving&nbsp;supply to where it is needed the most in this world, it&nbsp;can be extraordinary. However, as we all know, there&nbsp;is such a thing as too much of a good thing. And speculation,&nbsp;while it can do wonderful things, can also do&nbsp;bad things. And I think that is often what we are seeing&nbsp;today. When you look at, for example, the market&nbsp;for water in the United States, and for most of the&nbsp;world, it is one of the last very highly regulated markets&nbsp;and one of the reasons that it remains sound in&nbsp;our country is that you cannot trade it unless you are actually going to take supply of water. So, if you are&nbsp;not going to handle physical water, literally, you cannot&nbsp;just bet on its price. You cannot get a contract for&nbsp;real water and then buy and trade it for fun. It&rsquo;s a process.&nbsp;You must be someone who is in this market to&nbsp;actually take delivery or sell it to someone. And you&nbsp;will go to jail if you are found to be doing differently.&nbsp;The problem with speculation in some of our other&nbsp;important resources is, we do not have these kinds of&nbsp;safeguards in place that we have for water. So, water&nbsp;does not have a problem, oil, of course, does.</p> <p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #800000;">But do you think we could do the same with oil? Or is&nbsp;this so out of proportion that it is not possible?</span></p> <p style="text-align: justify;">I think anything is possible. Certainly we could control&nbsp;who gets to participate in the market, as with the&nbsp;water example. A lot of this is also about leverage.&nbsp;Right now, for every real dollar of cash you see going&nbsp;into this market you see a lot of borrowing going on.&nbsp;You can change a lot of those rules if you want to. The&nbsp;big problem with that is, this market has been developing&nbsp;for decades. You have a lot of people whose jobs&nbsp;now depend on the trading community and its health.&nbsp;People with families who are oil traders, who thought&nbsp;that speculation would always be the way it is. These&nbsp;people draw their livelihoods from consultancies,&nbsp;banks, hedge funds. Many people in Washington have&nbsp;strong ties to this industry. To take an entire industry&nbsp;apart is something I have never seen done as a writer.&nbsp;I have never seen a large group say, &ldquo;This is no good,&nbsp;let's just tear it down and rebuild it.&rdquo; The incentive to&nbsp;keep things the way they are is much greater because&nbsp;the rewards are much greater. To bring this back to&nbsp;something that makes sense means a lot of people&nbsp;will have to give up a lot of rewards and people are&nbsp;not good at that. To really address it is to actually take&nbsp;a lot of money off the table.</p> <p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #800000;">With the renewable energy resources coming into&nbsp;the game&hellip; because of the way the market works,&nbsp;everybody wants to make money as long as they&nbsp;can, do you think that anyone will even invest in&nbsp;alternative energy?</span></p> <p style="text-align: justify;">I do think that a lot of people in this market are open&nbsp;to making investments in projects that look like they&nbsp;are going to have some legs. The big problem is, a&nbsp;lot of this technology is what I would call a science&nbsp;experiment. I mean, you can come up with some&nbsp;really great options for small regions, sustainable&nbsp;solutions that can be applied to several counties or&nbsp;states, or part of a state. But a lot of the smart money&nbsp;wants a silver bullet. They want something that can&nbsp;save the entire country&rsquo;s energy problem in a way that&nbsp;is green. I do believe that, just looking at the smaller&nbsp;projects and talking to people, the real solutions are&nbsp;mostly going to be highly localized &ndash; meaning energy&nbsp;based on the resources of each region of the country.&nbsp;So, maybe one region has more water, one regionhas more sun&hellip;a lot of these projects have to be specific&nbsp;to the region to be truly sustainable and tailored&nbsp;to the region&rsquo;s needs and resources. And those projects&nbsp;seem to be very doable. The problem is a lot of&nbsp;the people who want to fund these kinds of things&nbsp;only want to fund something extremely high-wattage.&nbsp;So these smaller projects &ndash; which are provable&nbsp;and could work &ndash; get overlooked because the smart&nbsp;money is still enthralled by the concept of a big silver&nbsp;bullet. And I don&rsquo;t know if there is one. I believe probably&nbsp;not. These smaller projects we could start funding&nbsp;immediately and use as models and say, &ldquo;Look at&nbsp;this entire community, several counties that are completely&nbsp;self-sufficient and sustainable and green.&rdquo;&nbsp;Hold them up as examples. I think people would be a&nbsp;lot quicker to say, &ldquo;Oh, I want to have that in my community&nbsp;too; let&rsquo;s figure out a way to do it here.&rdquo; You&nbsp;don&rsquo;t need a silver bullet. But you do need to have&nbsp;people who are willing to take a chance, start small&nbsp;and think big. I think a lot of these people have an&nbsp;old-world-way of looking at things; they just want to&nbsp;drill more oil. They are living in the past. Or they only&nbsp;want to create some kind of new whiz-bang technology&nbsp;that will fix everything.</p> <p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #800000;">When the Emir of Qatar says that they are willing&nbsp;to look into developing renewable energy resources&nbsp;and that they would be behind something like that,&nbsp;do you think he speaks the truth or is this just paying&nbsp;lip service?</span></p> <p style="text-align: justify;">In the end, they are making more money&nbsp;off of selling oil.&nbsp;I think the Middle East may be one of the best places&nbsp;to look to get information about where we should be&nbsp;headed going forward. The reason why, as my time in&nbsp;the Middle East taught me, is that they are very aware&nbsp;of the fact that liquid oil is not going to be around forever.&nbsp;And they are already planning for the eventuality&nbsp;of oil running out.&nbsp;</p> <p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #800000;">But nobody is releasing information on how much&nbsp;oil there is left. That is the sense I got from reading&nbsp;the book: everyone is hiding how much reserve they&nbsp;have left.&nbsp;</span></p> <p style="text-align: justify;">You mentioned Daniel Yergin. In an editorial in the&nbsp;Wall Street Journal he said that everyone should be&nbsp;happy that oil is here to stay because for every one&nbsp;barrel of oil consumed 1.6 barrels have been added to&nbsp;oil reserves. It sounds very comforting, but the problem&nbsp;is that oil reserves are very dicey numbers and&nbsp;they get adjusted all the time &ndash; not in a way that can&nbsp;be independently verified for the most part. So Saudi&nbsp;Arabia might say &ldquo;Don&rsquo;t worry, we have X amount&nbsp;of barrels so everyone calm down.&rdquo; But the problem&nbsp;is that no one can check to make sure it is true. Not&nbsp;really helpful.</p> <p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #800000;">To go back to NYMEX, Goldman Sachs is blamed for&nbsp;a lot of the mistakes that were made in NYMEX. Do&nbsp;you agree? Where did things go wrong and if you&nbsp;could change anything, what would it be?</span>&nbsp;</p> <p style="text-align: justify;">Good question. First, I would say that the leverage in&nbsp;this market is outrageous. For every barrel of oil that&nbsp;actually gets consumed, dozens of barrels are traded.&nbsp;I don&rsquo;t need my barrel of oil to be traded that many&nbsp;times when I know that each time it trades, somebody&nbsp;is looking to take profit. Let&rsquo;s say we have one barrel&nbsp;and it&rsquo;s traded 50 times before it&rsquo;s actually consumed.&nbsp;I don&rsquo;t really need to pay for all those middlemen, it&rsquo;s&nbsp;not very interesting. I don&rsquo;t want to buy a car that was&nbsp;sold and bought that many times right before I bought&nbsp;it. It is not a persuasive pricing model. In addition, you&nbsp;have these people buying and selling oil frequently&nbsp;without actually putting any money into their trades.&nbsp;If you are a day trader in this market, you don&rsquo;t have&nbsp;to put any money down at all during the day that you&nbsp;are trading. You can trade a huge amount of oil without&nbsp;any money down, but you have to reconcile those&nbsp;trades at the end of the day. The ease of being able to&nbsp;just trade up a storm is a little too easy, I think. And&nbsp;that developed over time; there was not just one event&nbsp;that led to that. The barriers to enter over the years&nbsp;became lower and lower and lower. It was hard to get&nbsp;into this market in the beginning, it was a club, and&nbsp;now you have computers. Then there is the fact that&nbsp;banks like Goldman, a bank that is known for being&nbsp;very aggressive, has been very, very smart at trying to&nbsp;look at the rules, while not breaking them, and effectively&nbsp;finding ways around the rules. Goldman wants&nbsp;to be aggressive, but they are not looking to break the&nbsp;law. It is not in their best interest to actually break&nbsp;the law. They are just looking to work the system and&nbsp;sometimes bend it in the cleverest ways possible. And&nbsp;they do it very well. So, in 1991, a group of Goldman&nbsp;traders who felt that they were not able to trade as&nbsp;much of the commodities in the US as they wanted&nbsp;attempted to bend the rules. There were limits in place&nbsp;after the Great Depression on how much you could&nbsp;trade of a given commodity. Washington basically&nbsp;said, &ldquo;We don&rsquo;t want someone controlling too much&nbsp;supply&rdquo; &ndash; in today&rsquo;s terms, &ldquo;We don&rsquo;t want to have&nbsp;a single bank trading 89 million barrels a day of oil&nbsp;contracts because that is the total consumption of the&nbsp;world.&rdquo; This group of traders at Goldman got together&nbsp;and said in a note to the Commodity Futures Trading&nbsp;Commission &ndash; which is the watchdog agency for&nbsp;this market in Washington &ndash; &ldquo;We would like to trade&nbsp;a greater amount of products and we feel we should&nbsp;be able to, because we represent a lot of companies&nbsp;that use physical products and we are representing&nbsp;them and, even though we don&rsquo;t care about physical&nbsp;products ourselves, we&rsquo;re doing this on behalf of others&nbsp;who hire us to trade for them. So can we have an&nbsp;exemption?&rdquo; And they got it, they got an exemption.&nbsp;They knew who they were asking; they were asking&nbsp;Wendy Gramm who was a laissez-faire type of CFTC&nbsp;chairman. And her husband was a Senator who was&nbsp;also very free-market. So you can say that those two&nbsp;should have known better, that Wendy Gramm, the&nbsp;chairman, and Phil Gramm, the Senator, should have&nbsp;been more careful, but I think they really felt strongly&nbsp;that they were doing the right thing for the market. It&nbsp;turns out that what was created was an unbelievable&nbsp;casino. But that&rsquo;s the point. At the time, it was unbelievable.&nbsp;At the time, a lot of people did not know what&nbsp;was going to happen. They hoped they were doing the&nbsp;right thing. A lot of what you can see in this market&nbsp;&ndash; a lot of the experimenting with the different rules&nbsp;and regulations - some of it is genuinely done in hopes&nbsp;that things will go well. Some of it is done by people&nbsp;who don&rsquo;t care about causing problems, because the&nbsp;money is just so good. But there are a lot of different&nbsp;people involved. It is not just one kind of person.</p> <p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #800000;">In terms of global governance, what should be learnt&nbsp;from the nYMex story? in terms of the impact it had&nbsp;on the global level?&nbsp;</span></p> <p style="text-align: justify;">It is hard to boil it down to just one thing, but if there&nbsp;is one important thing, something that needs to be&nbsp;looked at real closely, it is that we do not have a legal&nbsp;superstructure, or market regulatory super structure,&nbsp;or an environmental super structure on a global&nbsp;scale that will allow us to truly solve our problems.&nbsp;All our laws, rules and regulations are very specifi c&nbsp;to the country you are talking about. Because things&nbsp;are getting increasingly interlinked &ndash; oil, the dollar,&nbsp;the stock market, all sorts of triggers related to supply&nbsp;and demand, credit, commodities and the fundamentals&nbsp;of those &ndash; we require a global solution. Something&nbsp;that can be applied across the entire planet.&nbsp;We don&rsquo;t have a fi nancial or legal superstructure in&nbsp;place to do that. We don&rsquo;t have it with the environment,&nbsp;either. But these are things that from a very&nbsp;high level are being looked at by very smart people.&nbsp;Because right now in the market &ndash; and we can see it&nbsp;with the NYMEX oil story &ndash; you have regulatory arbitrage,&nbsp;where the market tries to go wherever there&nbsp;is the least amount of rules. So if you think you can&nbsp;have fewer rules in Cyprus, you go to Cyprus and set&nbsp;up everything there. It is defi nitely a situation where&nbsp;as long as we can arbitrage our way out of following&nbsp;rules and regulations by changing our base of operations,&nbsp;diff erent parts of the market that really need to&nbsp;be protected will go unprotected. Global governance&nbsp;can address some of this. What happens right now in&nbsp;the US is that we are trying to put new rules in place&nbsp;for our markets, but other places &ndash; including the UK&nbsp;and Europe &ndash; are quite keen to use it as a way to compete&nbsp;with us. So it&rsquo;s almost a game of the least protected&nbsp;market wins, which is bad.</p> <p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #800000;">If you want to change something, then someone&nbsp;else will come and take away what you&rsquo;re trying to&nbsp;change and make it bad somewhere else.&nbsp;</span></p> <p style="text-align: justify;">The US keeps forgetting that the reason so many people&nbsp;took us seriously in the fi rst place is that we were&nbsp;considered a safe place to do business. We are now&nbsp;becoming increasingly less safe, because of all the&nbsp;loopholes we have created and the slipshod ways in&nbsp;which we are trying to fi x them. It is not good for the&nbsp;long-term fi nancial health of the country, of any country,&nbsp;to allow for this because it will be seen as a less&nbsp;and less safe place and people are going to look for&nbsp;places that seem to off er something more.</p> <p style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #808080;">By Janine Huguenin-Virchaux</span></p>